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JCMR: Hey MW.
MW EA: Howdy!
MW EA: How are you doing, Jonathan?
JCMR: I am good.. How are you?
MW EA: Surviving. I need a vacation. <G>
JCMR: LOL. You and me both.
MW EA: Of course, I need one once a week or even more. :)
JCMR: Well geez, I am not that bad.
MW EA: LOL. Me either actually. But wouldn't it be nice?
MW EA: Of course, I need to hit the lottery!
JCMR: Now that is a wish I'd like
MW EA: Me too, but I guess I should my half and buy a ticket.
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MW EA: Hi MAK.
MW EA: Welcome to Money Whiz.
MW EA: If there are any questions on the new tax laws, I'll be glad to try
and answer.
MW EA: The bill is only 1000 pages.
JCMR: What is the new tax law?
JCMR: <G>
MW EA: Okay, keep it up Jonathan and I'll let you answer all the questions!
:)
JCMR: LOL
JCMR: I was being serious.
JCMR: What change did the new tax law bring?
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MW EA: Yeah, and so am I. Humm, you must have been on vacation for the past
4 months or so, huh?
JCMR: LOL.. No I just haven't had much time for news.
MW EA: The easier question would be what was not changed.
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MW EA: And that is not much.
MW EA: Hi Port, welcome to Money Whiz
JCMR: They raise capital gains exemptions..
Port Angst: hello
MW EA: No, not really Jonathan, they changed things tho.
MW EA: Port, do you have a tax question? If so, just speak up, if not, just
join in on the fun.
MW EA: They lowered the long term cap gain rate.
Port Angst: what effect willthe new tax law have on student loans
MW EA: A little Port. Are you a student now?
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MW EA: You will be able to deduct some of the interest you are paying.
MW EA: Hey WeSix.
Port Angst: I have outstanding student loans and was told that you can deduct
acertain percentage
WeSixPicks: hey mw
MW EA: How long have you been out of school Port?
Port Angst: does that m,atter
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Port Angst: 6 years
MW EA: Yes, it is only the first 5 years that you can deduct interest I
believe.
MW EA: Am I correct WeSix?
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MW EA: Welcome CLYounge
Port Angst: no don't say that
MW EA: You are too far out of school to take any deduction. Sorry. :(
Port Angst: geez
MW EA: You can always go back and then........ :)
Port Angst: any loopholes
Port Angst: ahh
MW EA: Not really. This one will be an easy one to stick with.
MW EA: CLY - if you have a tax question, feel free to ask.
CLYounge: I have a 14 month old. how can I get the most that I can?
MW EA: What is the most? CL, education? Childcare? what?
MW EA: Sleep?
MW EA: <G>
CLYounge: I want to save for college.
MW EA: The new education IRAs could be nice, $500 a year not deductible but
not taxed upon
MW EA: withdrawal. Savings bonds are good, in your name, not the childs and
there are many
MW EA: other avenues.
MW EA: Also some states have tuition plans.
CLYounge: I receive child support and don't have a deduction. is that a
problem?
MW EA: Nope.
Port Angst: do you know if they raised the ceiling on the deductibility for
IRA's
MW EA: Yes, they did Port, for 1998 and beyond. It is indexed for inflation
now.
MW EA: CLY - as long as it is your child, there is no problem.
MW EA: Are you married or single Port?
Port Angst: single
CLYounge: I have savings bonds that are in care of me. is that good or
should i have it payable to me
MW EA: Your deductibility ceiling will raise $5,000 in 98,02,03,04.
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MW EA: That is $5K per year.
MW EA: Hey Gil.
MW EA: Hello Cacm.
GilF9: Hi Hugs.
Cacm96: hello
MW EA: CLY - the bonds need to be in your name to be used for education.
MW EA: Gil, I hear tell you are on vacation.
CLYounge: How can i change them?
MW EA: Cacm, if you have a tax question, just jump in and ask.
GilF9: correct, Miz EA.
MW EA: You can cash them in, pay the tax on the interest and rebuy them.
MW EA: Gil, do you know if you can change the ownership of savings bonds
midstream and
GilF9: Two weeks with all three grandkids next to a Wisconsin lake.
MW EA: still use them for education?
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MW EA: I thought so. Must be nice Gil.
GilF9: No, you cannot, MW EA.
MW EA: Can't stay away can you?
MW EA: Thanks Gil, I thought not. CY, you will have to cash them in.
GilF9: Not from you, EA.
MW EA: ::::blushing::::
Port Angst: Insurance is a very confusing subject, I have an endowment at 65
MW EA: Port, I don't do insurance at all, it is TOOO Confusing.
JCMR: I have an interesting question...
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Port Angst: and the insurance company has told me that the premiums paid in
don't equal the cash value
MW EA: Okay Jonathan, I'll try.
CLYounge: What brokerage firm would you recommend for a beginning inverstor
Port Angst: why not shouldn't they
MW EA: Hi Cooney. Welcome to Money Whiz.
CooneyZero: hello
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JCMR: Okay.. My dad is 64.. and only has 6,000 life insurance...
MW EA: CLY - I don't really recommend anyone. That has to be a personal
choice and I am
JCMR: He wasnted to cash it in and give me the money to invest...
MW EA: not qualified to do so.
Port Angst: OK
MW EA: Hello AGMark.
JCMR: Instead I think he should take a loan against them, and keep them and I
can still invest...
AGMark86: hello
JCMR: What do you think?
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MW EA: Port, like I said, it confuses me too much to deal with that part.
GilF9: CLY, will you be doing the research?
MW EA: He could take a loan, but then he would get less insurance. 6 of one,
half doz of the other
MW EA: in my opinion, Jonathan.
CLYounge: what research?
MW EA: If anyonee has a tax question, please feel free to answer. We are
going to try and
GilF9: To determine what to buy and sell, CLY.
JCMR: Well if he lives for another 30 years... wouldn't it be more worthwhile
to invest the same
MW EA: condense 1200 pages of tax changes here in one hour.
JCMR: 6 grand, then to only get 6 grand if he dies?
MW EA: Jonathan, I don't do financial planning and don't really get into the
insurance field, etc.
CLYounge: I'll probably go with the safest investments.
MW EA: I leave that to the experts like MWOpa, when he gets back.
JCMR: Oh, well.. Okay thanks anyways..
JCMR: c-ya
MW EA: Welcome Wewiorski.
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GilF9: CLY, will you be selecting these safest investments or will you want
the broker to doit
CLYounge: broker
MW EA: Cooney and Mark, do you have any questions?
CooneyZero: mw i bt a whole policy for 250,000 my annual premium is 2102,just
finished my 5 year i'm
CLYounge: I have a financial consultant who I'm happy with.
AGMark86: If we are talking opinions, what about removing short term funds
from the market/mutual fun
AGMark86: ds?
GilF9: Then you want a full service broker, CLY. The individual is much more
...
MW EA: What about it Mark?
GilF9: ...important than the brokerage company.
CooneyZero: thinking about trying something else
MW EA: Cooney, I stay as far away from Insurance as humanly possible.
AGMark86: I am in a profession that is very sensitive to swings in the
market.
MW EA: Sorry. :(
MW EA: You don't get any special tax cuts for short term gains Mark, but if
you feel safer, you
MW EA: may want to do it.
AGMark86: I have some of my short term (emergency / out-of-work) monies int
mutual funds
CooneyZero: thanks
CLYounge: What is the maximum tax deductible amount that I can save towards
my child's college ed.
AGMark86: ok
MW EA: CL, there is no tax deductible amount you can put away.
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GilF9: CLY, financial consultant for mututal funds and broker for individual
stocks, CLY?
MW EA: The tax freedom will come when the money is cashed in.
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GilF9: Have you been doing this tax chat for 3 weeks, Miz EA?
CLYounge: How far in the future have these new laws projected?
MW EA: CLY - correction, you may be able to draw out of your IRA for
education.
MW EA: Gil, no, this is my only one.
MW EA: I have seen the year 2004 mentioned Cly
MW EA: Wewiorski, do you have a question on the new tax laws?
CLYounge: How much may I take out of my IRA?
MW EA: But everything is subject to change with Congress, CLY.
MW EA: $10K for education.
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MW EA: Hi LClassy.
MW EA: Gil, I hear that MW Opa will not be allowed any more vacations. Too
hard to fill his shoes.
LClassy: for people interested in money..6 aint very many
MW EA: Welcome to Money Whiz and tonight the topic is the new Tax laws.
GilF9: Not true, EA. There are much more qualified people -- such as you and
your boa.
MW EA: LOL, Gil, I don't think so! <G>
MW EA: And I hear the boa has retired with the new MW set up.
LClassy: can you talk abou the proposed capital gains tax
MW EA: Nothing now is proposed, it is law. What do you want to know?
MW EA: The new Sch D will carry 56 steps in order to calculate the tax.
GilF9: Incredible.
MW EA: I've seen the proof.
MW EA: It is going to be a nightmare.
LClassy: for 56 steps lets give the gain ..too much think and witing
GilF9: Tax simplification at its peak. <g>
MW EA: LOL, Classy!
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MW EA: It is now called the Tax professional employment act!
GilF9: LOL, EA
MW EA: Hi KPetrella. Welcome to Money Whiz.
KPetrella: hello
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MW EA: I would not want to be doing returns with pencil and paper this year.
MW EA: Hi ECEUROPE
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ECEUROPE: Hello!
MW EA: Folks, I'm here to try and make some sense of the new tax laws.
Please, if you have a
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GilF9: Are the new IRAs in effect this year, EA?
MW EA: question, just ask.
MW EA: Not til 98 Gil.
LClassy: good thing all the people made millions on the teck stock...you
should have knowing tecks
MW EA: Hi TS.
GilF9: Good. I might learn about them by then.
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MW EA: The only real change for 97 will be the cap gains and home sales. The
rest starts in 98.
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LClassy: by now..going to loook at the stocks
GilF9: I take it that someone in Congress wants to sell his home this year?
MW EA: See Ya Classy, thanks for coming by!
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ECEUROPE: What are the changes relative
MW EA: I bet someone does Gil and plans to make $500000 profit.
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MW EA: EC - I need you to get a tad more specific, there are 1200 pages of
changes.
ECEUROPE: What are the new changes relative to capital gains on stocks?
MW EA: Hi MCPaws
McPaws: hello
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MW EA: New holding periods and new rates, 10 and 20 percent for long term.
MW EA: Hi DEHANNA08
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MW EA: Long terms stocks are now those held 18 months.
MW EA: And I was just telling everyone that the new Sch D is a real treat.
56 steps.
MW EA: Tonite's topic is the new tax laws. Feel free to throw in a question
and I'll try to answer
MW EA: <G>
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GilF9: {I just cannot imagine 1200 pages of changes.}
McPaws: okay....i've been using my parents accountant but now i need to start
paying for it myself
MW EA: That is the official version. Most can be ignored or reduced to maybe
100 pages.
McPaws: but he's expensive as heck
McPaws: there are some personal business depreciations
MW EA: McPaws, you should do some comparison shopping. Is he a CPA or EA?
McPaws: and a k-1 from some property owned by everyone in the family
MW EA: It sounds like an interesting return.
McPaws: if i show another cpa my previous returns will they be able to pick
up where we left off
MW EA: Sure, but you may or may not need a CPA. Have you thought about EAs?
We are
McPaws: ?
MW EA: generally less expensive and more up to date on tax law.
McPaws: excuse my ignorance but what is an ea
MW EA: EAs are enrolled agents. We are licensed by the IRS to represent
taxpayers.
MW EA: We do returns, go on audits, run chat rooms.....<G>
ECEUROPE: The 10 and 20 percent capital gains on stocks you mentioned; does
it vary with tax bracket?
MW EA: We just do tax work, not the other accounting work.
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McPaws: where do i find one and do ea's work independently or for the irs
MW EA: Yes, ECE. The 15% tax bracket gains would top out at 10%, others at
20%.
GilF9: You make it sound as if the EA is controlled by the IRS.
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MW EA: EAs are independents, we are the taxparyer advocate.
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MW EA: Never are we controlled by anyone. <G>
McPaws: cool...where do i get one
GilF9: EAs are uncontrollable?
MW EA: NAEA has a forum here on AOL with an on-line referral service.
MW EA: You got it Gil.
GilF9: <grin>
McPaws: how do i get to the referral service on line
MW EA: or, McPaw, you can e-mail me your city, state and zip code and I can
send you the ones
MW EA: closest to you.
MW EA: Welcome newcomers to Money Whiz.
McPaws: okay
GilF9: Keyword: naea -- I suppose.
MW EA: Perfect Gil. yes, that is the keyword.
McPaws: thanks for the tip b/c i'll be damned if i'm going to pay $400 for
next year's return
MW EA: We are here discussing the new tax laws.
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MW EA: McPaws, with what you said, I'll bet you get a better price elsewhere.
McPaws: i don't see how it could get worse
MW EA: I'll email the list the day I get your info.
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MW EA: Welcome Chooy!
Chooy2: can you explain new non-deduct ira
MW EA: Which one, Chooy? The Roth or the educational one?
Chooy2: the roth
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MW EA: You can put up to $2K a year in it, leave it there until you are 59.5
or 5 years, whichever
MW EA: is later and withdraw the money without paying tax. That is 2K a
year.
MW EA: Hi EK
GilF9: The Roth is better than the current IRA, my opinion.
MW EA: It actually depends, Gil. I have seen good arguments both ways.
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MW EA: Chooy, you still have to have earned income.
MW EA: Hi CArring.
MW EA: Welcome to Money Whiz and the new tax laws.
WeSixPicks: The Roth is probably better, but trying convincing clients to
give up the current deduction
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MW EA: Does that help a little Chooy?
Chooy2: when i reach 59.5 will a roth ira have to be averaged with my regular
ira
MW EA: Hi Queen.
Queenbich3: Hello!!!
MW EA: No, as far as I can see, they will remain separate.
Chooy2: thank you
MW EA: We are discussing taxes tonight. If you have a question, feel free to
ask.
WeSixPicks: Chooy, do you mean for minimum distributions? That isn't until
70-1/2, and
WeSixPicks: the Roth is not included
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WeSixPicks: In fact there is no requirement to take Roth money even at age
70-1/2
MW EA: Good point, WeSix.
MW EA: Welcome ABD.
ABD918: thanks MW hello room
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GilF9: and it goes untaxed to heirs, I assume?
Chooy2: no but prior to this law non deduct iras had to be averaged with
deductible iras for taxes
MW EA: Chooy, you are correct, but these are two different accounts.
MW EA: Gil, I don't know.
WeSixPicks: Gil, it would be subject to estate taxes, if applicable, but not
income taxes
MW EA: The old laws will still work for the old IRAs, but not the ROTH.
WeSixPicks: But the heirs will be required to remove the Roth money
Chooy2: sounds to good to be true
GilF9: Thanks, WeSix.
MW EA: A lot of the new tax laws sound like that. Must have been America
talking.
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MW EA: But that is how it is supposed to work Chooy.
Chooy2: ok thank you
MW EA: WB McPaws.
GilF9: "WB" means what?
McPaws: another dumb ? How do i email you. do i just post on the staff
message board?
MW EA: Welcome Back, Gil dear!
WeSixPicks: Warner bros??
WeSixPicks: What's up doc?
McPaws: with bacon
GilF9: thank you.
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MW EA: McPaws, see the letter and pencil at the top of the screen? Just put
MW EA in the send
MW EA: area and write me a letter.
Queenbich3: I have a question about capitol gains ?
MW EA: Okay Queen, shoot.
WeSixPicks: No such thing as "capitol" gains. The Capitol only gives up
losses!!!!!
MW EA: LOL We Six!
WeSixPicks: that's "us" losses
MW EA: (that means laughing out loud) :::running and ducking:::::
Queenbich3: A relative has a property that he has owned for 30 years and has
rented (apartment house at
MW EA: McPaws, did you get that?
Queenbich3: beach) and now wants to sell. He will have to pay gains on the
full amount of sale but what
McPaws: yes i was sending the email just now
MW EA: I just got it. I will have an answer for you in the morning.
McPaws: excellent
Queenbich3: will his tax bracket be if he is now in lowest without this sale?
MW EA: It's hard to say, Queen. The lowest bracket is 15%, but the sale
could jump him up/
WeSixPicks: Queen, I have to assume that the gain will put him in the 28%
bracket
Queenbich3: Property is around $400,000.00
WeSixPicks: Queen, if so, then the depreciation recapture portion of the gain
will be taxed at 25%
MW EA: even with the new capital gain rates. But then it would be 28%, with
the gain at 20%.
McPaws: can i tell from my pay stub what bracket i'm in? (i'm really not as
dumb as i sound)
MW EA: I was just going to say that We6, you are quick!
WeSixPicks: and the balance at 20%. Any portion of the 15% bracket unused
before the
WeSixPicks: gain will be taxed at the 15% amount, since the depreciation
recapture will
WeSixPicks: come first
MW EA: Not really McPaws, since it deals with all your income, not just
wages.
WeSixPicks: Sorry MW, I do type quick
MW EA: And lol!
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MW EA: Is okay, I have a paper cut on one finger, lengthens the typing time.
MW EA: Hi JT. Welcome to Money Whiz.
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MW EA: Hello Annette.
Queenbich3: He has wondered if he would be better off to leave to his
children & grandchildren even tho
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Queenbich3: it would not benefit him any.
Annette523: hello
MW EA: The property is probably fully depreciated. No basis to him, FMV to
heirs.
MW EA: Annette, can we help you with any taxing issues?
WeSixPicks: Queen, if he holds it until he dies, his heirs will not pay
capital gains tax if they sell
Queenbich3: Then heirs could sell property at no tax, right?
WeSixPicks: right after they inherit (maybe small capital gains)
Annette523: no just reading the board
MW EA: Okay, feel free to join in if you'd like.
MW EA: Right Queen.
Queenbich3: thank you!!!!
MW EA: Depending on closeness of sale to death.
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MW EA: Hi Randi
McPaws: i plan to begin investing this fall. i heard that you should buy
stocks at the beginning of
Queenbich3: what do you mean?
RandiGL: hi MW
McPaws: the year rather than the end...what gives
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MW EA: If they sell right after they inherit, they may even have a slight
loss. If they hold it
WeSixPicks: McP, buy when the stocks are low, sell when they are high. The
rest is conjecture
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MW EA: for a year or so, there could be a gain, perhaps small.
MW EA: It depends on the market also.
McPaws: are your taxes only affected if you sell your stocks. if i keep them
will it affect taxes
Queenbich3: What is the rule about transferring property while alive to
heirs? Something about three
WeSixPicks: Oh, and only buy stocks that will go up
Queenbich3: years before death.
WeSixPicks: McP, it's only taxable when you sell
McPaws: well let me look at my crystal ball WE6
MW EA: No, do not do that. The heirs will get the basis, and that is about
-0- we are assuming.
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WeSixPicks: Queen, the three year rule no longer applies, except in the case
of life insurance
MW EA: Three years has to do with medicare, etc.
MW EA: LOL McPaws
WeSixPicks: McP, OK, then let ME know :-)
McPaws: bba
WeSixPicks: MW, MedicAID, not MedicARE
Queenbich3: Transferred property can be at any time even if person goes into
nursing home?
MW EA: Thanks We6, knew it was a medi something.
MW EA: what is bba?
McPaws: bombay company
WeSixPicks: queen, At $400K the capital gains tax is at least $80K. That
covers at least
MW EA: Oh, was thinking it was a shorthand for chat rooms or a stray sheep
that could not talk
MW EA: correctly.
Queenbich3: Transferred property will be assessed to the heirs the same as if
he sold?
WeSixPicks: Queen, one year in a home. See a COMPETENT Elder care atty or
accountant
MW EA: Yes, Queen, gifted property retains the basis.
WeSixPicks: Queen, before you do anything.
MW EA: I agree with We6 Totally, Queen.
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ABD918: Im back
MW EA: WB, ABD.
ABD918: I have a question
WeSixPicks: HOWEVER, depending on the state that the person lives in, there
are ways to
MW EA: Go ahead.
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WeSixPicks: get the property out of your hands for Medicaid purposes, while
retaining enough
ABD918: should we stay in 401K or put extra monthly $ to investing
Queenbich3: It is not for me (I WISH), only asking because he asked me and I
wasn't sure.
MW EA: Depends what your needs are ABD.
RandiGL: ABD - max out 401k first
WeSixPicks: control to cause it to be included in the taxable estate, thus
getting the basis step up
ABD918: We have 4 kids. Needs are college and retirement
WeSixPicks: So....See a COMPETENT pro
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MW EA: You can access IRAs for college but not 401Ks.
MW EA: Welcome Elarde.
McPaws: ABD you also need to be confident in your 401K options. If they
stink, you may not want to
WeSixPicks: ABD, 401k is always best deal
RandiGL: you can borrow if nec from 401k at college tuitiion time or find
other ways to fund college
McPaws: invest your lot in it
MW EA: Yes, you can borrow the funds. DUH.
Queenbich3: Thanks!!! I'll pass this along. I had already told him to go to a
good tax person.
MW EA: Temporary blondness has set in.
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WeSixPicks: Queen, more than a good tax person, someone who knows elder care
issues
WeSixPicks: q
MW EA: Folks, my time is almost up, I'll take a few more tax questions and
then I need my
ABD918: Should I roll over 2000 to an IRA yearly from our 401K
McPaws: q?
Queenbich3: Later guys!!
WeSixPicks: Queen, your average tax person might not
MW EA: beauty sleep.
MW EA: ABD - why?
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WeSixPicks: So I hit the return key too soon. Sue me!
ABD918: For college
McPaws: too costly to sue
Queenbich3: I' listening
MW EA: You can put 2K in an IRA and still fund the 401K. You can't roll it
out just a bit at a
MW EA: time.
RandiGL: you can't rollover 401k to ira unless you seperate from service
MW EA: Hi DAyers.
WeSixPicks: queen, average tax person might not know all of the elder issues.
See a specialist
ABD918: Then I wouldbe taxed and penalized right
Queenbich3: Thanks! LATER
MW EA: I agree Queen!
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DAyers3330: Hello, I need a question answered reqarding a illegal retirement
plan.
MW EA: It just can't be done ABD, but you can fund both if you have the
bucks.
MW EA: What about an illegal plan?
ABD918: MW so our extra 400$ per month should be saved and put into an ira
at year end or to 401K
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MW EA: ABD, without knowing your total background it is hard to say, but what
I would do is
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DAyers3330: My employer sponsered a SAR-SEP IRA that was intended for the
private sector.
McPaws: it's my bedtime...catch ya'll later. Thanks for the help MW EA &
We6.
WeSixPicks: you're welcom
WeSixPicks: e
MW EA: ask for a posting in the Money whiz Section "Your Money Story" and get
lots of opinions.
MW EA: You are quite welcome Mc Paws.
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ABD918: Thank you for your time MW
RandiGL: DA there's nothing wrong with a SAR-SEP IRA in the private sector
MW EA: You are welcome ABD - write to MW Lisa and tell her your story.
ABD918: will do
MW EA: Folks, my hour is up, you are all welcome to continue to use the room.
Thanks for
MW EA: coming by and have a great rest of the week!